Volunteers monitored the process in real time, turning over cassettes at the appropriate time to record on the second side. I did live it. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! Just go to BuyACar123.com. I will let you know as soon as I figure it all out. And thats not what this is about. So he said something about so and sos clothing. How do we deal with claims of sexual abuse? This is just the way things are in Corinth. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. People can do the job of preaching and leading a church for, you know, 40 plus weeks in the pulpit at a church of this size. I think one of the ways that Willow tried to reckon with the situation was to permit Bill Hybels to retire from his role at the church. Judson is located just 36 miles outside Chicago on a beautiful 90 acre campus. And so I hope your listeners understand what I mean, when I say this, thats how good God is that he can use people who are even morally bankrupt, to bring people to himself. And the thing that is astonishing to me, you used the issue of emotional vulnerability is that, you know, a lot of times our strengths are our weaknesses. I totally agree with you Julie on how I viewed the Clergy and Church growing up. And Willow lost the battle of PR on social media. It was stunning to me. So grateful for those who did and Scot McKnight who came out with a just a powerful, I remember when his blog hit and he said, Every elder has to resign. And within what, wasnt it a week, all of them resigned. Many more than even Vonda Dyer knew. But as you say its Gods grace that despite all that hes used these men to bless many, despite everything. But this is the beauty of I think whats arisen is an independent media. This was an excellent interview and elders need to read this interview. But lets talk about since were talking about the media, Willow Creek had unbelievable resources at its disposal, right. And we need to start on the work of reconciliation and repentance now. And you have two or three board members who go, I dont think so, they did nothing. So since youve seen a lot of this kind of up close and personal through talking to witnesses and elders and staff people, how bad was the abuse at Willow Creek? And thankyou for all you do in the NAME of JESUS! (See page 54 and following) That has been documented and proven through therapy notes. And I think Christian leaders need to start stepping up. He makes sure the good things stay in the church and the bad things go out. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. And so when I looked at that in the context of James MacDonald going, you know what, thats the type of accountability that man needed and was denied. Its good to be visiting with you again. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray You feel that they have to have more of a governance more of a hands on role than a lot of them do. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema. I was blown away. Maybe some of your listeners are familiar with that you can go on YouTube and and see what thats all about. But we dont have time on this podcast. There was a period of time, Ill call, The Great Loneliness after that Chicago Tribune article came out, where they were radioactive. Pete served as the senior pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas for nearly 30 years, and he now ministers to pastors and organizational executives through personalized, professional coaching. But he had the emotional and spiritual fortitude to say, You know what? As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims, Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. You know, Hybels daughter had her own book on Oprahs book club. Its something like Child Protection Policies. But you lose the guarding mechanism, which I think in todays in todays cultural moment, its probably the most important aspect of eldering. Dear anonymous. I know about the deleted emails. Its really pride. And I feel that way with these pastors. But essentially, it was the board being asked to deal with matters of policy and then all matters of implementation really get left to the vocational staff in the church. There are therapy notes to support her story. Ive even friended a few. And I think there was, but I think that theres a spiritual stronghold around celebrity culture within evangelicalism writ large. Right. Theres another circumstance that I became aware of where The board had a 360 Review done on Hybels and his leadership and some problems they were experiencing with his management style from, you know, bullying, abusive style. You have to have a lead pastor who creates a strong culture of accountability. God uses the weak things of this world to confound the strong, right? It is what manifests. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. I mean, there were some things that you learned specifically, that were done to potentially cover wrongdoing by Bill Hybels. :), I would strongly urge you to research Voice of the Martyrs. I was blown away. Is that correct? And I do think theres a spiritual stronghold, I hope and pray that it will be broken in our area. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. I hope someday I can overcome this cynicism because I need Church as it should be. Frankly I find church to be excruciatingly lonely. I mean, it was a great time. However, there should be a bubble level of character in Christ that we return to. I heard an elder once describe his role as a glorified sanitation engineer. They were almost sacred and benevolent and unable to do wrong. Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. It is. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. Why didnt others support them? Now, God is leading our friend and leader Pete away from these walls, and we look on with sadness the sadness that comes when a season you love is passing. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. Why did so many look the other way for so long? Basically, theyre a rubber stamp. Hes also the chairman of the elder board at a multisite megachurch in Dallas, Texas. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. At that age, I had never had someone in spiritual authority lie or manipulate me. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. So, Mitch, how is it that a lawyer from Texas ended up representing victims of sexual harassment at a mega church in Chicago? And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? And I can only imagine what the economic forces are behind the scenes for that, but it really disappoints me, that that hasnt happened. I know the owners Dan and Kurt Marquart personally, and I can say without reservation that they truly run their business with honesty, integrity and transparency. Amen. The thief knows how to how to get through that lock, right? So appreciate. Briscoe And yet, when these issues started being raised about Bill Hybels, the larger church, other than you know, a few people you mentioned the Ortbergs, for example, they came forward and spoke. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. Vonda was at one time the director of Willow Creeks vocal ministry, and she was one of the first women to come forward and speak publicly about Bill Hybels alleged sexual misconduct. Yeah. Im Julie Roys. Jill Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. And this is whats so difficult. I would love to see Chicago experience revival. Bent Tree family and friends of Bent Tree, we invite you to post here (or on social media) your comments of encouragement, gratitude, blessing, remembrance, and tribute to the many long years our brother Pete and sister Libby have poured out their lives for the building up of Christs church. And I think you hit the nail on the head. In another area, it might be used to groom someone and use vulnerability as a mechanism to draw people into something that is corrupt. But youre right. But I had limited contact with him. And Im good friends with her husband Scott Dyer as well. I think that he lost that. That to me, is a corruption of the role. Like so many of you, I love Pete. Stuart and Jill Briscoe have always had a passion for teaching God's Word and speaking Truth into people's hearts and moving them toward God. Hes like, I wasnt trying to protect the man, who by chance was his brother in law. So thank you. Lawyers are, by definition, advocates, right? And I think that Bill Hybels created an advocacy structure around him by having that many lawyers on the board. And a lot of us who sat in the congregation and received from them were, you know, duped and we bought it. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Julie, it is great to be with you again. and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Scott Dyer was the worship pastor at Bent Tree Bible fellowship. And heres what we have to do as people leading churches, okay, you have to understand what the signs of grooming are so one of the things that I did that really helps me, my good friend, Boz Tchividjian, put out a book through his organization G.R.A.C.E. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. https://www.billionbibles.com/voice-of-the-martyrs.html. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Serving in the role of elder is a huge responsibility. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. (etc. Ive asked that question many times. But it really had the tone has to be set by leadership for a culture of goodness. They have a responsibility to the larger church to speak. But theres a sense that the Church of Jesus Christ Universal is represented all throughout not just the United States but the world. Well Mitch, one of the things Ive never discussed is that we used to attend Willow Creek. Its biblical. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. Later Telling the Truth began airing in several countries in southeast Asia and across 10 countries in southern Africa. Telling the Truthis the international on-air and online media ministry that distributes the teaching content of uniquely-gifted Bible teachersStuart and Jill Briscoeto help people know Christ and experience Life in all its fullness. And thats what, thats what you end up protecting right? WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. And I could explain why I think thats funny, but you have to have extreme accountability, the larger your platform gets. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. That way, youll never miss an episode. Youre absolutely right. I learned that from Bill. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. He represented two women involved in the sex abuse scandal involving Bill Hybels. Honestly, without being a part of the Willow family at any time, I saw Bill as the best Christian leader I had encountered, by far. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. To me, this was one of the beautiful God moves about the entire situation. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. I was blown away. So you caught them before that anything actually happened? Thankyou in advance. What Ive told people is, If you are not ready to blow yourself or the organization up in five seconds flat, you need to find a different hobby.. I dont know. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. Basically, theyre a rubber stamp., Julie, I have a different take on what happened at WCC. And you made the statement that if you have the character to lead, you dont need a manual. My personal belief, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, my personal belief is that that structure is designed to fail, because elders cant elder in that structure. How do you recommend searching worth while places to donate too? Whats our theology? Im good friends with Vonda Dyer, who worked at Willow and was one of the women who bravely came forward with her story about her interactions with Bill Hybels. The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. Not sad or contemplative, but agitated and very irritated. When you think about the economic reach of an organization that was that size within evangelicalism, my goodness, even Christianity Today was scared to run articles about it. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. So there were more than 10 women that came forward and said that there was sexual misconduct by Bill Hybels. This is a person who is pushing a boundary because they want to do something bad. Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? It took me a long time to agree that he had done the things of which he had been accused. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. But what happens when there is a sheep within the flock who needs to be defended? Oh Well, and I appreciate your service to the church. So disappointed in ECFA. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? I think ultimately, we are still kind of under the inertia of a culture that was fomented by Pete Briscoe, which was a culture of goodness, a culture of grace and its still carrying forward under that momentum. But before we begin, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson University, and Marquardt of Barrington. Its scripturally rooted. These little bitty people, from Willows perspective, who helped win the PR back, its a miracle. I think these women would still like to know the answer to that. I dont know. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. But now my faith in the whole institution is shattered. You have to have unity among your vocational staff at the church about, you know, key issues like how do we treat other people? For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. which Hybels assented to including you know, repenting for his behavior and not talking about politics and some other things as well. Very few. Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. Youve youve created a fiction when you organize church, what is a church organization but a legal fiction, right? And I think it wasnt a problem, Mitch, because everybody always agreed with whatever the senior pastor wanted. Your browser does not support JavaScript. Tell us what you learned through you know, bringing this person to light, confronting him and dealing with the entire situation that we can learn from as a church. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. I dont think that he caused the elder board to resign. Fortunately, we have not had so much as one complaint about any one of our pastors or staff members. Hes also the chairman of the elder board and his own church, Bent Tree Fellowship. Because we represent their interests. And its like, now someone inside the tribe has said, Something is wrong here and it must be dealt with. And it took someone of Scot McKnights gravitas to be able to shift the discussion at Willow. And so when you know from the pulpit, that might be a strength. You know, I believe in spiritual strongholds and things like that. But theres something wrong in the whole business of Church. It is a collection of people. So thanks again. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Literally thousands of people have come to know Jesus under Bill Hybels teaching and yet, he was morally bankrupt at the same time. However, whenever he would do that quavering voice, etc., I would wonder how he could do that for all three identical services? The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. There was another case that also occurred where he committed oral sex with his assistant. Its a calling of God. I think its incredibly dangerous. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. Thank you for joining us in seeing to it that no one misses the grace of God. Nobody has said they had intercourse with Bill. In our church, we have a no tolerance policy. May God lead your next steps and may you find ways to use your gifts from a place of health. In fact, back in the late 80s, early 90s, we went to Willow Creek and we had a wonderful experience. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. Think about the psychology of someone who could be doing what was alleged by Pat Baranowski to have been done to her. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Everything started to make sense. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. Because I often wonder what would have happened if he had come back and you know, not been well are not been really able to do his job but said, You know what, Ive got to do this. This is the you know, erither, I need the job, or, This ministry completes me. or whatever, whatever the excuse is. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. If you go back through Willow Creeks archives, you can see all the, you know, the authors of books who came in and were platformed at Willow Creek. There were some areas or some some critical times when things could have gone differently, but the elders caved in essence to Bill Hybels. And he came back and said, I cant do this anymore.. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. And I think theres a kind of an old guard of megachurch pastors and leaders that think that theyre above accountability and theyre beginning to realize theyre not. It manifested at the Human Resources level. And when I came into the representation, that was a new term to me, Id never heard anything like it. How are you? He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. And I still havent been able to get her to visit with me. Let me give you some examples. What I do, you know, and what Ministry Watch is doing and what all these independent bloggers are doing, that its bringing accountability. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. To view their entire showroom online. We were talking a little bit about the elder board. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. If you want to know what grooming looks like in the context of church, every elder at a church of any size should read this book. All the times something didnt seem right. And I realized that as we were discussing this, that there might be some people who have heard about what happened at Willow Creek, but somewhat superficially, through the headlines and dont really know beneath the surface. Jill I think it took courage. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. They need accountability. I agree, Pastor Bob. Its a serious analog for what happened at Willow. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. They show up, they sell books. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Youre its just not its not a matter of if its a matter of when. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. it is. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. And unless theyre pollinated by hand, on the one day that the bloom opens, they wont make anything. You formed a nonprofit corporation. But when we look at it from some practical ways that God used people to undo this, explain what you see as being the key forces. How do you get people to come to church when there are more authentic people in the bars? Why did so many look the other way for so long? I think they can do it effectively. 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